Episode 003 Transcript:
Five Ways to Ethically Approach
February 4, 2020 by Ruchi S. Kothari
Hey guys, welcome to the episodes Be Collegebound with IvyBound! I’m your host, Ruchi S. Kothari. I’m super excited that you’ve joined me.
Today, I’m going to unfold the biggest college admissions scandal of all times– Operation Varsity Blues, how it affects your college admissions, and Five Ways to Ethically Approach College Admissions. I’ll be revealing the bribery, the cheating, and money laundering– all that and some more in a few.
Be CollegeBound with IvyBound is a series designed for people like you – high schoolers and their parents, where I advise, guide and support you through your college admissions journey, offering you admissions tips, tricks, and secrets to stand out and present your “best self” on your college applications. These strategies are easy to implement yet very impactful, helping you to get admitted into the college of your dreams, and create a future that you would love.
Do you want to get your dream school? Of course you do. Well, stay tuned.
As you may know last year, the world was exposed to the largest college admissions scandal in the history of higher education, Operation Varsity Blues. We’ll go into details of the scandal, and its implications. In layman’s terms – how does the admissions scandal affect you and me and our college admissionsprocess? And, what we can do NOW to ethically approach ollege admissions, so we don’t get ourselves into trouble. You don’t want that, do you? Of course not. Don’t worry, we’re going to get through your college admissions journey together. Yes, we’re in it together.
And at the end of each episode, I offer live office hours with myself, Ruchi S. Kothari, where I answer three college admissions questions that high schoolers or their parents post. Today, I answer the following questions:
- Being an Asian American, an Indian, is it better for me to leave out my ethnicity on the college applications, so I’m not tereotyped as an Indian?
- How early should I plan out my college visits?
- I’m a sophomore who will be planning my Junior year classes, do you have any recommendations on how to plan out my academic classes?
If you have any college admissions question, please leave it in the comment box, so I can answer your question next time. I’m so thrilled to help you in any which way I can.
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Ok, are you ready for this? Are you ready to hear the extent these parents went to get their child or children admitted into highly-selective college? The purpose of this episode is for me to explain to you the implications of Operation Varsity Blues. By
no means is my intention or this episode to defame the individuals involved or a certain socioeconomic class.
Without further ado, let’s get started…
As you may know last year, the world was exposed to the largest college admissions scandal in the history of higher education, Operation Varsity Blues . The ring leader Rick Singer, CEO of Key Worldwide Foundation, orchestrated a conspiracy involving 50 people and revealed to the world the dark and dirty side of college admissions. Charges included those of bribery, cheating, money laundering, racketeering, and mail and wire fraud. Those arrested included two SAT/ACT administrators, one exam proctor, nine coaches at elite schools, one college administrator and 33 parents. The eight highly-selective and reputable
universities that were engulfed in this scandal included USC, Yale, Stanford, Georgetown, Wake Forest, UCLA, UC San Diego and the University of Texas at Austin.
To give you the big numbers, The Chronicle of Higher Education states 8 universities were involved, 11 college employees (nine named, two unnamed). Just a side note, these two unnamed employees must be very high up on the ladder. It also included
45 students (three who didn’t ultimately enroll), with $5.9 million dollars paid directly or indirectly to college employees. That’s a huge heist! If you would like a visual representation of the data I just stated and enjoy following along, download the transcript from my show notes for this episode at http://www.ivyboundconsulting.com/003 . No need to frantically take notes, I’ve got
Big Picture Numbers
college emplyees (nine named, two unnamed)
students (3 who didn’t ultimately enroll)
million paid, directly or indirectly, to college employees
Can you even imagine the amount of coordination this might have taken? And these eight colleges– these are the colleges that you and I aspire to attend or hope that our children will attend. I guess that was the point to pay off individuals, employees, and coaches to get admitted into these elite colleges.
Being a college advisor, I strive for each and everyone my students, who I really think of as my children, to get into the best college that they possibly can get into, Their best college in terms of their academic and personal fit. Even I, am sometimes
asked if I were to write the essays for a student or to complete the entire application myself in return for a hefty consulting fee. I am happy to say that I only follow the ethical and correct path towards college, and say no to these unethical and wrong asks. Follow only the ethical and correct path, and that’s what I want for my students.
And, being a parent of a high schooler myself, I understand the stress, pressure and the prestige that goes along with your child getting admitted into the top colleges. I totally get it. I want the same for my daughter, and I would be one of those parents who I to sticks a sticker on the back on my car and proudly boasts to the world that my daughter attends Harvard, Stanford or any of the Top 25 nationally-ranked colleges. I want that for my daughter, but not at the expense of me going to jail and my child having her admissions rescinded from the college she strives for. So, I advise you as your college advisor, and your confidante to follow the ethical way by listening to the admissions tips, tricks and secrets that provide you in the Be Collegebound by IvyBound! Series to stand out and present your “best self” on your college applications.
I honestly believe “You reap what you sow”. Sooner or later, your actions, whether it’s good or bad do catch up with you. And, that’s what happened to the parties involved in Operation Varsity Blues as they tangled their web with deceit, bribery and cheating.
Thirty-three wealthy and influential parents were charged including the television actresses Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman, the mastermind Rick Singer, and various university employees as they conspired to get these children into these prestigious colleges.
I’m about to give you some snippets of this bribery, cheating, money laundering, racketeering, and mail and wire fraud played out in the biggest and college admissions scandal to date. Sounds like all the elements needed for a juicy miniseries on Netflix. Don’t you think? Lifetime actually aired a movie, called The College Admissions Scandal in September 2019, right before Felicity Huffman’s hearing. In this film, two wealthy mothers–sought-after interior designer Caroline and Bethany, owner of a successful financial-services firm–share an obsession with getting their teenagers into the best possible college. If you’re into bribery, cheating and lies, then this movie is a must-watch for you. It’s available to you on Amazon prime. I’ll provide a link to the movie in the show notes at http://www.ivyboundconsulting.com/003 .
I’m about to reveal the tangled web of Operation Varsity Blues, giving you some examples of how the conspiracy panned out.
John Wilson, the founder and CEO of private equity and real estate development firm, is accused of bribing officials at USC, Stanford and Harvard to facilitate admission of his son and two daughters to those three schools. Wilson’s company allegedly wired $500,000 in 2018 to Key Worldwide Foundation, Ring Singer’s company.
Moreover, One billionaire family paid Singer $6.5 million for their daughter’s admission to Stanford. Her application to Stanford was embellished with false credentials for the sailing team, according to a court filing by prosecutors. The university expelled the student, according to news reports, but she and her parents have not been charged in the case. Stanford’s sailing coach, who pleaded guilty, admitted to taking bribes to help some of Singer’s clients, but he spent the money on the sailing program rather than himself. A bribe is a bribe coach!
Manuel Henriquez, founder of Hercules Technology Growth Capital, participated in cheating on college entrance exams on behalf of their two daughters on four separate occasions and to have bribed Gordon Ernst, the head tennis coach at Georgetown to designate their older daughter a top tennis athlete to help her get into Georgetown. On May 4, 2016 the Henriquez Family Trust allegedly made a $400,000 contribution to Key Worldwide Foundation.
Moving on to Bruce Isackson, president of a real estate development firm. Isackson and his wife are accused of participating in both the college entrance cheating scheme and the college recruitment scheme for their older daughter as a soccer player at UCLA. The Isacksons paid Key Worldwide Foundation in 2016 by transferring 2,150 shares of the Facebook stock, having an approximate value of over $251,000, and transferring almost $250,000 worth of stock shares again in 2018 on behalf of an admissions scheme to benefit their younger daughter.
Last week’s article in the Higher Ed even revealed the first case in the scandal in which graduation from college, not admission, was the desired end. Karen Littlefair pleaded guilty in federal court in Boston to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud for paying a man to take online courses for her son to graduate on time from Georgetown University. The man completed four courses, and Littlefair’s son graduated from Georgetown. Wow!
These are just examples of a few incidences of how bribery, cheating and lies played out in the biggest and dirtiest college admissions scandal to date. For a complete list of the wealthy parents, coaches and other individuals involved, read up on cbsnews.com . It has a comprehensive list of those accused and charged, and whether or not the defendants pleaded guilty or not. It’s a fascinating read. You may find a link to this article in this episode at http://www.ivyboundconsulting.com/003 .
As you can see, this was a pre-planned, well-orchestrated scheme that spanned several countries, and engulfed many individuals, even school officials like coaches from the eight top colleges I mentioned above, which is USC, Yale, Stanford,
Georgetown, Wake Forest, UCLA, UC San Diego and the University of Texas at Austin.
An article in the New Yorker states, “The élite colleges involved have portrayed themselves as helpless victims. In reality, they created the conditions for Singer’s scheme, from the lower admissions standards for athletes to the ever-increasing
selectivity that ratchets up parents’ desperation. They’ve tacitly sold admissions slots for decades to major donors, yet professed shock that their coaches would as well.”
Just last week, an article in the Los Angeles Times stated, “UCLA’s own internal documents reveal that, for many years, its Athletic Department has facilitated the admission of unqualified applicants – students who do not meet UCLA’s rigorous academic or athletics standards — through the student-athlete admissions process in exchange for huge ‘donations’ by the students’ wealthy parents,” The brief continued on to say that UCLA is not a victim of a fraud scheme.”
These colleges claiming to be victims is a ploy for them to wipe their hands clean of the admissions scandal, even though the filth cannot be washed off, even with
numerous washings. It’s not like back doors didn’t exist in college admissions and it still does, especially for families who make a sizeable donation to the college itself, almost guaranteeing a seat or admission for their child or children. These cases are
openly known as development cases and are, tagged and separated from the rest of the pool of thousands of applications. What makes you wonder is why didn’t these wealthy individuals pay the college directly and avoid committing a crime? Possibly they didn’t have the millions of dollars required to be considered a development case. Or, maybe they thought they could get away with it with paying Rick Singer pocket change of hundreds of thousands and come out with a bargain in exchange for their children getting into the desired college.
Rick Singer, previously a basketball coach himself, saw a loophole in the college recruiting process and the lenient admission rules for athletic recruits, and literally banked on the situation. Some of the coaches that deeply involved in Operation Varsity Blues were:
● Donna Heinel, Senior associate athletic director at USC, who designated
students as football, volleyball, lacrosse, and water polo recruits
● Ali Khoroshahin, the former head coach of women’s soccer at USC
● Laura Janke, the former assistant coach of women’s soccer at USC
● Jovan Vavic, a former USC water polo coach
● Rudolph Meredith, the former head women’s soccer coach at Yale
● John Vandemoer, the former sailing coach at Stanford
● Gordon Ernst, former head coach of men and women’s tennis at Georgetown
● William Ferguson, the former women’s volleyball coach at Wake Forest
● Jorge Salcedo, the former head coach of men’s soccer at UCLA
● Michael Center, a former head coach of men’s tennis at the University of Texas
Since then, these corrupt athletic coaches have left their respective universities, whether they resigned or were fired, but not without leaving a dent in the college admissions athletic recruiting process. I’ll soon discuss the implications of athletic recruit and how it may affect your college applications.
Although there were many high-profiled, wealthy parents involved, the two actresses who really have been in the limelight, no pun intended, are Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin. I can’t complete the scandalous story by mentioning the actions of these two actresses.
In September of 2019, Actress Felicity Huffman met her fate for her involvement with Operation Varsity Blues and paying $15,000 to have a proctor to correct her daughter’s SAT answers. The Emmy award-winning star of Desperate Housewives was sentenced by a federal judge to 14 days in prison, a $30,000 fine and 250 hours of the kind of community service you shouldn’t list on a college application. (LOL!) For many people, the sentence Felicity Huffman received was really a slap on her wrist, and basically telling her “Bad girl, don’t do it again.” What do you think, I would love to read your thoughts on this college admissions scandal and the people involved. So, leave your comments in the show notes for this episode at http://www.ivyboundconsulting.com/003 .
The Actress of the commonly-watched show, Full House, Lori Loughlin has a more controversial story with more serious punishments. Loughlin and her husband, Mossimo Giannulli, are accused of paying bribes totaling $500,000 to have their two
daughters designated as recruits to USC’s crew team in order to get them admitted into the school. Lori Loughlin and husband pleaded not guilty to her allegations. Aside from bribery, other charges include conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud
and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Recent news states the government created a 526-page motion which releases dozens of heavily redacted emails, documents and call transcripts to support its position — many of which include exchanges between the couple and Singer, covering how to create fake profiles of daughter, including how the pictures were to be falsified showing their daughter as coxswain for crew. Other emails discussed how payments were to be made where $50,000 was to be sent to the USC athletics department, and $200,000 to Singer’s fake charity. Top it all off, there were emails who included Mossimo forwarding the invoice to his accountant and asking to write off the payment because it was money sent to a charity. Oh, what a tangled web Loughlin and her husband have weaved, as they await their sentence in the months to follow.
The final question to ask is….What sentence did the mastermind Rick Singer get for the tangled web he weaved, when he practiced to deceive and more…
Ok, I need a drum roll here– Rick Singer, owner of the Edge College & Career Network and CEO of his charity foundation– Key Worldwide, pleaded guilty for racketeering conspiracy and money laundering charges on March 12, 2019 — now faces a maximum sentence of up to 65 years in prison — though the government has recommended that Singer serve just three years of supervised release — and a fine of up to $1.25 million. How many of you feel that the three years of supervised release is justifiable or another slap on the wrist? Again, I’d love to hear what you think. You know the drill on how to leave me a comment.
Even though Huffman, Loughlin, Singer, and all people involved reaped what they sowed, let me ask you this, who are the real victims of Operation Varsity Blues?
We are the victims – regular parents and students like you and me – who take an honest and earnest approach to work hard during their high school years and then following the rules to apply to selective colleges, in hopes to get admitted into the
college of their dreams!
The question I am often asked by my hardworking students and their parents is, “How do we stand out from other applicants, the honest way, and create impactful applications that help us get admitted to the colleges on our list?” As I continue to bring more content in my podcasts and videos, I’ll reveal more admissions tips, tricks and secrets to empower you or your child to present your “best self” during your college applications process. So, continue listening to my podcast or watching a visual version of this podcast on my YouTube Channel at IvyBound Consulting , and don’t forget to subscribe.
As an article in the New Yorker states, “Less understood is that the repercussions extended beyond the families and colleges entangled in the scandal. The true victims were other, and perhaps more deserving, high-school students and athletes. For every student who benefitted from Singer’s crimes, there was a student who aspired to attend premier schools and sports programs. Despite their stronger credentials, some were rejected. To students, the scandal shows that the college-admissions game offers shortcuts.”
It makes ponder upon a question that has been around for centuries and still looms in higher education, and it is – Is higher education, primarily for the wealthy and well-connected? When universities like Princeton, Harvard, Yale and Columbia were originally created, they were definitely for the upper class, and fostered a culture of creating pedigree like the Rockerfellers and the Kennedys, thus promoting legacy. While the advantage of legacy, to some degree, still exists today, many colleges since then have tried to even out the playing field through affirmative action and creating institutional priorities like increasing socioeconomic, demographic and gender diversity. If you would like to learn about institutional priorities and the direct impact they have on your college applications and your admissions into a college, please listen or watch my previous episode at http://www.ivyboundconsulting.com/002 .
From my own experience, in this year’s early admission for the Class of 2024, I have seen a more stringent review of the early applications, especially at the universities involved in the scandal and other top colleges. Early admission is a round that is especially important for admitting athletic recruits, as coaches often want their admitted athletes to start their training ASAP. Colleges like Stanford and Yale are raising the bar for these athletes, expecting them to perform academically well, or as comparable, as other applicants. I have an admissions tip for my athletes applying to colleges, which is…it is all the more important now that you perform well in your academic classes and tests like the SAT or ACT. Your athletic ability alone will not get into Div I or Div III schools anymore. Good luck and reach out if you need guidance. Just DM me @ivyboundconsulting on Instagram, or PM me at @ivyboundconsulting on Facebook.
Now that you’ve heard about the tangled web of deceit, bribery and cheating in Operation Varsity Blues, and the effects it has had on the college admissions process, I’d like to discuss ways you can still approach your college admissions journey the right way so that you do present your “best self” to the admissions officers at these colleges.
The five ways for high-achieving high schoolers to ethically approach the college admissions process and stand out among other applicants are:
- Highlight your strengths. – Reflect on what makes you unique, what are your talents, and your areas of expertise. Make sure to highlight and showcase these strengths in every aspect of your high school career, like in your choice of academic classes, extracurricular activities, your applications, and your essays. We’ll continue the conversation about making all components of your application impeccable as the year progresses. Stay tuned, I’ll be covering exciting things ahead.
- Create a well-balanced college list and a plan when to apply. – An often overlooked step, or a college list that is created haphazardly with top-heavy colleges (only choosing the top 10 colleges by many), may result in more denials
than admissions. The key to admissions is understanding the early, regular and total admissions rate of the colleges of your choice and then creating a balanced list of reach, target, and safety schools. And of course, leveraging the various early and regular rounds of colleges. That’s a strategy that may give you the maximum results!
- Create powerful narratives of yourself. – Your personal statement and supplemental essays are crucial components of your applications, revealing to the admissions officers who you are, what your areas of interest are, and how you will
interact in their college community. Get personal and reveal yourself in these essays and emotionally engage the admissions officers, so that they may go to bat for you during application review time.
- Choose recommenders who are your best advocates. – Be selective in choosing your recommenders, don’t just choose those teachers whose class you got an A in. But, choose those advocates who have seen you overcome a struggle (like an exam), or seen you in multiple lights. For example, this teacherrecommender may have you in her Chemistry class and also be your soccer coach, hence she knows you inside and outside the classroom.
- Don’t try to hide or falsify information. – Just like the case in Operation Varsity Blues, the truth always comes out. Many students in fear of being stereotyped into a certain bucket, falsify or hide their race or ethnicity. Little do they realize that these admissions officers have read thousands of applications and will continue to do so in the future. They are able to determine many ethnicities by the last name alone. The consequences of falsifying information may be getting denied admissions, or more worse including public defamation, jail time, and your admissions being rescinded from the college. Please don’t do it! Don’t hide or fallacy anything. If there are certain circumstances that have affected your performance during your high school years, speak to your counselor and have them communicate the situation to the colleges you are applying to.
My goal is to help each and every student to apply and achieve admissions into their best-fit colleges. Please use the tips I provided you to ensure a smooth and ethical college admissions journey. Take what you want, share it with your friends, and leave the rest. Leaving with the infamous hymn and quote to think about:
Ok, we’re at the home stretch. Before I move on to the Live Office Hours with Ruchi S. Kothari , I wanted to announce our three lucky winners of the jumbo 2020 dry erase wall calendars. The three winners for last week’s podcast and video episodes are: Katya from Miami, FL, Justin from Bronx, NY, and Tara from Fremont, CA. Thank you guys for becoming a subscriber, I hope you find the calendar helpful in 2020 goals setting, and wish you the best in your college admissions journey.
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Before we wrap up, let’s have a quick Office Hour session with myself, Ruchi S. Kothari, where I end each episode by answering three real-time college admissions questions.
The first question is from Anaya from Atlanta, GA.
1. Being an Asian American, an Indian, is it better for me to leave out my ethnicity on the college applications, so I’m not stereotyped as an Indian? Hi Anaya. That’s a really good question because many Asian Americans, that’s Indians, Chinese, Koreans and other overrepresented minorities in an institution do face a tougher college applications review, for the fact that the Asian American pool is comprised of very smart, I mean exceptionally smart kids. Nevertheless, like I stated earlier in this episode that these admissions officers have read thousands of applications and can figure out many ethnicities by your last name. Thus, it’s better to be transparent, rather than concealing or falsifying information. The consequences may be getting denied admissions, or much worse. So, Anaya, be honest about your college applications, that’s the best advice I have for you. Be honest.
Moving along to question 2. Tomar from Union City, CA asks:
2. How early should I plan out my college visits? Hi Tomar. I really like students starting early with college visits as early as Freshman year. I know you may not know where you want to go being at this stage, but visiting some local colleges gives you a sense of what to expect when in college. I suggest you take a day or two out for college visits during your spring break or in the summer, checking out various universities: from large to small, and in urban to rural settings. Tomar, in Junior year, I hope you will have a working draft of your college list, and then you can actually go visit these campuses on your list. Happy traveling!
Our final question for the day is from Ken from Carlsbad, CA. Ken asks:
3. I’m a sophomore who will be planning my Junior year classes, do you have any recommendations on how to plan out my academic classes? Hi Ken. I’m glad you are already thinking about planning your academic classes. Planning is a must, especially if you are thinking about getting into a highly selective college. In fact, I think this topic is so important that my next episode is about just this– how to choose your academic courses so that you have a competitive advantage in your applications. So, definitely tune in to this episode as I provide you admissions tips, tricks, and secrets in planning out your academic classes. Real briefly, the 2 recommendations I have for you now is 1) Double check that you meeting all graduation requirements, sometimes in the swing of things and trying to sign up for the most advanced classes, we forget a semester requirement we might need to take to graduate. So, double-check your school graduation requirements. 2) I would recommend you choose those electives that support the major you may be thinking about when applying to college. If you’re undecided, no worries, then choose those classes that you are passionate about. More on this topic of how to best choose your academic courses in my next episode. So, look out for it.
Ok folks, that’s all the time we have for today. I’m thrilled that you are tuned in to listen to the Be Collegebound with IvyBound podcast or watch the YouTube video series. I have a lot of exciting episodes planned for the year. It’s everything and anything under the sun about college admissions, so please subscribe, rate, and leave me a review. If you have a burning college admissions question that you want me to answer in the Live Office hours with Ruchi S. Kothari, then write the question in the comments below.
Don’t forget to join me for the next episode where I discuss how to best select your high school academic courses so that you portray yourself as a competitive candidate for admissions.
I’m going to leave you with a funny question to answer today:
Let’s say you had all the money like these wealthy parents involved in Operation Varsity Blues. If you didn’t get caught, would you resort to similar measures to get yourself or your child admitted to their dream college?
Comment YES, NO, Or MAYBE in the comment box on http://www.ivyboundconsulting.com/003. These answers are for entertainment purposes only, no names will be revealed.
If you’re wondering what I would say, I’ll give you my answer as a parent…. No, that’s just not my cup of tea, even if I didn’t get caught.
Ok, I hope you enjoyed this episode and thanks so much for tuning in. Bye for now!